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, tax reform and tax incentives for charitable giving. back to the phones. jack in michigan, on our line for independence. go ahead, jack. caller: i want to ask mr. rosenberg if he has ever heard of lincoln electric in cleveland, ohio. host: and why did he wanted to know that? caller: well, they wrote a book, james f. lincoln wrote a book, a new approach to industrial economics where they have no unions. everybody is responsible for their own work. they do peace work. everybody's responsible. everybody has a lifetime job. they get huge pieces of the pie. and ownership is -- the people, the workers, everybody owns the piece of the pie. host: what does this have to do with the fiscal cliff? caller: well, if more -- if more people -- if more industries would go to that, they wouldn't fall off the cliff. everybody would go to work. host: mr. rosenberg? guest: so i haven't heard of that but it sounds like a great place to be and live. i would have to get the name of that again. host: next up is don on the washington redskins. -- "washington jo
, tax reform and tax incentives for charitable giving. back to the phones. jack in michigan, on our line for independence. go ahead, jack. caller: i want to ask mr. rosenberg if he has ever heard of lincoln electric in cleveland, ohio. host: and why did he wanted to know that? caller: well, they wrote a book, james f. lincoln wrote a book, a new approach to industrial economics where they have no unions. everybody is responsible for their own work. they do peace work. everybody's responsible....
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the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising the dollar revenue from them is sort of less harmful than it is from lower income folks. so, i mean, those debates are worth having, but i think when you actually get down to the specifics and play it out, things like a straight flat tax or national retail sales tax don't make a lot of sense. host: we've been talking with joseph rosenberg, a research associate at the tax policy center. if you want to get more information about the work that they do, you can go to our website, taxpolicycenter.org. part of the urban tax policy working center. thank you very much for being on the program. >> it is f
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accounts receivables tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax. host: etc., etc. ralph in illinois. caller: merry christmas. losing ground in a dozen wars and by outgoing a path for free medicine and replacing imported wood -- host: i think we got your point. do you have a position on the so-called war on drugs? guest: i shake my head a little bit. many of the advocates of legalizing marijuana of those that will lead the charge like the mayor in new york against smoking. in terms of marijuana, with the appropriate warnings and the like, you can make a case for it. when you get addicted to those things like cocaine, it is difficult to get you off of it. much harder than cigarettes and liquor. you have to have gradations. when people get paroled from prison, oftentimes a nuclear weapon. they go back to using drugs. do you throw them in for another five or 10 years? do you let them go? spend a night in jail. there is a lot of gradations on this thing. that debate will be joined. in terms of medical marijuana, there's an element of marijuana that i do not understand they cannot extract
accounts receivables tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax. host: etc., etc. ralph in illinois. caller: merry christmas. losing ground in a dozen wars and by outgoing a path for free medicine and replacing imported wood -- host: i think we got your point. do you have a position on the so-called war on drugs? guest: i shake my head a little bit. many of the advocates of legalizing marijuana of those that will lead the charge like the mayor in new york against smoking. in terms of marijuana,...
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the tax-cut measure that they did. nobody making $40,000 a month needs a tax breaks. we discussed the tax thing in an earlier program. the middle class is paying for it. i didn't understand that liberals do not band together stronger and show a united force. it is okay to have obama as the president. if we say the president is caving in, we have power. guest: we have seen 26 straight months of private sector job gains. we have seen losses in the public sector. you can expect that public unemployment problem to get worse. progressives can get behind the president and claimed a win over the republicans. or they can hold out for the progressive principles that they originally wanted. i think in congress a lot of folks will wind up back in the president. host: guestok. good morning, steve. caller: happy new year. everybody is talking about going back to the clinton's tax brackets. do you think that is a good idea? andt: go back to the 1990's everybody did quite well. tic talk. apocalyps it is not all that much debilitating when people tend to save the money rather than sp
the tax-cut measure that they did. nobody making $40,000 a month needs a tax breaks. we discussed the tax thing in an earlier program. the middle class is paying for it. i didn't understand that liberals do not band together stronger and show a united force. it is okay to have obama as the president. if we say the president is caving in, we have power. guest: we have seen 26 straight months of private sector job gains. we have seen losses in the public sector. you can expect that public...
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from the alternative minimum tax. it is all very urgent stuff that needs to be done. there are only two even remotely controversial pieces of this, what to do with the estate tax and where or how to define the wealthy people whose taxes are going to go up. the rest of it is basically protecting people from tax hikes, extending unemployment benefits for some time is controversial for republicans, but it appears to have a great they would do that if -- it appears that they have agreed. it can be relatively easily if they can reach agreement on what to do about taxes for the rich. >> in your article in the "washington post," this morning, you quote majority harry reid who says, whatever we come up with is going to be imperfect. he said on the floor before dozens of silent and a tentative senators, we're going to do the best we can for the country. it seems like he ihas made his decision. what is it going to take to get the rest of the folks to go along with him? >> we will not really know that until tomorrow. one of the
from the alternative minimum tax. it is all very urgent stuff that needs to be done. there are only two even remotely controversial pieces of this, what to do with the estate tax and where or how to define the wealthy people whose taxes are going to go up. the rest of it is basically protecting people from tax hikes, extending unemployment benefits for some time is controversial for republicans, but it appears to have a great they would do that if -- it appears that they have agreed. it can be...
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ultimately the american people will look at their property taxes, income taxes, estate taxes, sales taxes, and every other tax that they are being forced to pay and they will ask, who taxes and undermines my ability to take care of my family? mr. speaker, the history proves democrats raise taxes whenever they believe they can get away with it. conversely, history proves republicans protect as many american families as possible from democrat tax increases. mr. speaker, that is the fight the republican house fights today. republicans will fight today and republicans will fight tomorrow to protect as many american families as possible from the tax increases democrats passed when they controlled congress and the white house. and it is that difference, mr. speaker, that caused american voters to give republicans in the 2010 and 2012 elections their largest number of house of representatives victories in more than six decades. mr. speaker, fighting democrat tax increases, now that's a mandate. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. the chair recognizes the gentleman from missouri,
ultimately the american people will look at their property taxes, income taxes, estate taxes, sales taxes, and every other tax that they are being forced to pay and they will ask, who taxes and undermines my ability to take care of my family? mr. speaker, the history proves democrats raise taxes whenever they believe they can get away with it. conversely, history proves republicans protect as many american families as possible from democrat tax increases. mr. speaker, that is the fight the...
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the idea of sort of flat taxes or national retail sales tax, taxes have long been proposed and talked about. i mean, i think fundamentally, it sounds appealing, but, you know, what you're really talking about is relative to what we do now. you're talking about a much different way of raising -- much more revenue from lower and middle income people and less from the very rich. my sense is that's not where the american people are at. there is this sort of sense that higher income people raising the dollar revenue from them is sort of less harmful than it is from lower income folks. so, i mean, those debates are worth having, but i think when you actually get down to the specifics and play it out, things like a straight flat tax or national retail sales tax don't make a lot of sense. host: we've been talking with joseph rosenberg, a research associate at the tax policy center. if you want to get more information about the work that they do, you can go to our website, taxpolicycenter.org. part of the urban tax policy working center. thank you very much for being on the program. guest: tha
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about extending the tax cuts in 2010 and the payroll tax cut in 2011. at last minute the politicians, with a deal that makes the deficit worse-- and come up with a deal that makes the deficit worse. the real test will been when they can do their jobs and make the hard choices and confront very dangerous debt levels that we currently have in this country that are part of the reason the economy is not growing. it's those hard choices that will be the real test of bipartisanship and the ability to govern. you: let's share with yesterday how things unfolded. senator john thune spoke with reporters midday yesterday on capitol hill. [video clip] >> those conversations and discussions continue. we remain hopeful that will get a breakthrough. what happened between the two leaders in the senate had broken down, because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counteroffer to the proposal republicans made last night. host: a late word from "politico" from republican leader mitch mcconnell. let me read to you a story that he and the vice president engage
about extending the tax cuts in 2010 and the payroll tax cut in 2011. at last minute the politicians, with a deal that makes the deficit worse-- and come up with a deal that makes the deficit worse. the real test will been when they can do their jobs and make the hard choices and confront very dangerous debt levels that we currently have in this country that are part of the reason the economy is not growing. it's those hard choices that will be the real test of bipartisanship and the ability to...
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and we've run economic models which suggest that if we put a $10 a ton tax on carbon, increasing $10 a ton per year, so that after 10 years, it's equivalent to a dollar a gallon on gasoline. that that would reduce carbon emissions in the us by 30%. which is about 11 times -- that 30% reduction is 11 times greater than the amount of carbon carried by this keystone xl pipeline. so it just shows how foolish that pipeline is, compared to the kind of steps that we should really be taking to ensure our energy independence. but the -- there are multiple ways that price would affect -- would reduce emissions. but, yeah, i -- and i don't really know that i should or could actually specify what -- which technology is gonna do. as i say, the marketplace is going to make those decisions. but there's a lot of potential already, well california is twice as efficient as the rest of the nation. it's about equivalent to europe, which is also twice as efficient as the united states. so there's a lot of potential in just energy efficiency but anyway. >> and so the next question, welcome. >> i'm james.
and we've run economic models which suggest that if we put a $10 a ton tax on carbon, increasing $10 a ton per year, so that after 10 years, it's equivalent to a dollar a gallon on gasoline. that that would reduce carbon emissions in the us by 30%. which is about 11 times -- that 30% reduction is 11 times greater than the amount of carbon carried by this keystone xl pipeline. so it just shows how foolish that pipeline is, compared to the kind of steps that we should really be taking to ensure...
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bracket -- tax bracket. i would like to retire someday and to hear that social security and medicare will be affected. we will not have the money to spend on anybody when i retire and these programs will be very adversely affected. host: when the two sides get back to that of for the 113th congress in what people are saying it is round two, senate republicans are saying no debt ceiling increase until president obama and democrats put social security and medicare on the table. what do you think? caller: i do think we should be looking at spending cuts. if we keep in the autumn of programs where they are now, we will not have anything for anyone -- if we keep entitlement programs where they are now, we will not have anything for anyone in a few years. i agree with republicans in that. we do need to protect our country and have the military be the best it can be, but i would say we do not need to give them more money. i think that is one area where i see things differently than our republican colleagues. host:
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including a tax credit for families with children the education tax credit. >> he said he would have liked to have gotten a bigger deal done but unfortunately he was not able to do that. this will have to be ruled out in several steps. checking chicagos letter which is kind of great as the final day of 2012. snow passing downstate as you can see on the radar. if you're heading south be aware of that. we may get a flurry but a lot of this hanging up in the clouds over the city. it will be moving out of here tonight. we get into some serious cold there. this low pressure a streaking along fast. high pressure comes in and brings the sun back tomorrow. look at the temperatures and how cold it is out west of us. we've got 310 days without a subfreezing reading. the hundred and 10 days310 days is just not happened before. tomorrow it happens, we go into subfreezing daytime high territory. we bring to an end, a record. live records going back 142 years. thirties' now around the city. the winds are west at 12. makes it feel like it is 22. that is the reading right now. here the temperatures
including a tax credit for families with children the education tax credit. >> he said he would have liked to have gotten a bigger deal done but unfortunately he was not able to do that. this will have to be ruled out in several steps. checking chicagos letter which is kind of great as the final day of 2012. snow passing downstate as you can see on the radar. if you're heading south be aware of that. we may get a flurry but a lot of this hanging up in the clouds over the city. it will be...
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almost every family that pays taxes now will pay higher taxes. people's jobs will immediately be put in jeopardy, unemployment compensation will end for more than 2 million people, our defenses will be decimated by cuts that will put us in a position of accepting really unacceptable risks to our security, title 1 programs of education for low-income children will be cut dramatically, most people, including the congressional budget office, our own congressional budget office, say that the combination of tax increases along with the decreased spending required under the budget control act will push our economy back into recession in the new year. so i don't agree that no deal is better than a bad deal. in this case, i repeat, no deal is the worst deal because it allows our country to go over the fiscal cliff and really hurts almost every american family in our country, in our economy, as a whole. this shouldn't be a surprise to us. it's not as if, if i could use the metaphor, that congress was going along in a bus and -- on a ride through the count
almost every family that pays taxes now will pay higher taxes. people's jobs will immediately be put in jeopardy, unemployment compensation will end for more than 2 million people, our defenses will be decimated by cuts that will put us in a position of accepting really unacceptable risks to our security, title 1 programs of education for low-income children will be cut dramatically, most people, including the congressional budget office, our own congressional budget office, say that the...
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system -- a saner tax system. we can follow a framework as recommended by the simpson- bowles commission that will allow us to protect benits but will also make some of the tough choices that kelly was talking about. i think we have to put everything on the table for that kind of a deal. we have to look at revenues. we have to look of the domestic side of the budget. we of the look of the defense side. and we have to look at the mandatory program. i think we do have to make some tough choices. bui also believe that getting that done will provide tremendous certainty for businesses in this country, for families so they know what we are expecting. and that that will really give our economy a shot in the arm, and get money off the sidelines and allow business to invest in with that creates jobs. that is what we need to do for the future. the other party that i have been working on and that we have made so progress but we will continue is the country's energy policy. my foc has been on energy efficiency. energy is the
system -- a saner tax system. we can follow a framework as recommended by the simpson- bowles commission that will allow us to protect benits but will also make some of the tough choices that kelly was talking about. i think we have to put everything on the table for that kind of a deal. we have to look at revenues. we have to look of the domestic side of the budget. we of the look of the defense side. and we have to look at the mandatory program. i think we do have to make some tough choices....
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the alternative minimum tax kicks in and several tax deductions will also expire. nbc's danielle leigh is on capitol hill with the latest on the negotiations. what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning. there's been progress and at 11:00 a.m. this morning the senate will get back network. when they do they won't have a lot of time to come up with a deal to avoid those spending cuts and tax increase. both sides are still divided but just before calling it quits yesterday democratic leader harry reid said he hoped to have an announcement in the morning when senate gets back network. where are they divided inspecifically divided at what salary taxes should increase but there was progress in terms of tax increases for the wealthiest of americans, also avoiding the inheritance tax increases and democrats say that they are grateful republicans have given up a demand for cuts to social security at least for now. now this progress has not come easy. democrats have accused republicans of being too suborn on tax increase and just yesterday republicans slammed democrats for
the alternative minimum tax kicks in and several tax deductions will also expire. nbc's danielle leigh is on capitol hill with the latest on the negotiations. what's the latest? >> reporter: good morning. there's been progress and at 11:00 a.m. this morning the senate will get back network. when they do they won't have a lot of time to come up with a deal to avoid those spending cuts and tax increase. both sides are still divided but just before calling it quits yesterday democratic...
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the alternative minimum tax kicks in, and several tax deductions expire, as well. nbc has more from capitol hill on the latest with the negotiations. daniel yel danielle, how are the talks going? >> reporter: there's been progress. at 11:00 a.m. the senate get back to work. when they do, they are not going to have a lot of time to come up with a deal to avoid spending cuts and tax increases. both sides are still divided, but before calling it quits yesterday, democratic leader harry reid said he hoped to have an announcement in the morning had the senate gets back to work. aides say they're specifically divided on what salary taxes should increase, but they say there was progress in terms of tax increases for the wealthiest of americans. also avoiding the inheritance tax increases. and democrats say that they're grateful that republicans have given up the demand for cuts to social security at least for now. now this progress has not come easy. democrats have accused republicans of being too stubborn on tax increases. and just yesterday, republicans slammed democrat
the alternative minimum tax kicks in, and several tax deductions expire, as well. nbc has more from capitol hill on the latest with the negotiations. daniel yel danielle, how are the talks going? >> reporter: there's been progress. at 11:00 a.m. the senate get back to work. when they do, they are not going to have a lot of time to come up with a deal to avoid spending cuts and tax increases. both sides are still divided, but before calling it quits yesterday, democratic leader harry reid...
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this tax deal would also create a perm naanent fix for the alternative minimum tax and extend unemployment insurance for 2 million americans. the president made it clear what his top priority is in any deal. >> preventing that tax hike has been my top priority. because the last thing folks like the folks up here on the stage can afford right now is to pay an extra $2,000 in taxes next year. middle class families can't afford it. businesses can't afford it. our economy can't afford it. >> just an hour later, senate minority leader mitch mcconnell signalled his agreement with the president. >> so i agree, let's pass the tax relief portion now. let's take what's been agreed to and get moving. we all want to protect tax pairs and we can get it done now. >> however, despite what sounds like good news, there will be no vote in the house tonight even in the house reaches a deal. in fact, the senate has adjourned until tomorrow. >> joining me now when we talk a couple of hours ago, there wouldn't be a vote on either side. but maybe something from the senate tonight? quite possibly. aparentally, th
this tax deal would also create a perm naanent fix for the alternative minimum tax and extend unemployment insurance for 2 million americans. the president made it clear what his top priority is in any deal. >> preventing that tax hike has been my top priority. because the last thing folks like the folks up here on the stage can afford right now is to pay an extra $2,000 in taxes next year. middle class families can't afford it. businesses can't afford it. our economy can't afford it....
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provided knows the poll tax -- everybody knows the poll tax. he voted against the civil rights bill. he was opposed to the ways it was being done. the congress was going to step in and say you cannot use the poll tax. byrd said do it right. eventually it was rejected. byrd voted for it. two years later, congress comes back with a constitutional amendment and byrd voted for it. he voted for it once they did it right with a constitutional amendment. he filibustered, it is true. there was a 14 hour filibuster. not one racial word in the whole thing. read through the thing. "let's make this thing right and i can support it." racist. read throughout the filibuster. there is not one racial thing. the whole thing is basically constitutional law. he was disagreeing with the way it was being done. this was about literacy tests. here he is talking abouthe opposed them on that measure. it proposes two different ways to do this constitutionally. that is what is left out. congress could do that. and that would be done. he voted against that bill because of
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and if no agreement, taxes will go up for all americans. in fact, the average american family would see a tax increase of more than $3400. as congress convened, even the senate chaplain praying to avoid what the president called self-inflicted wounds. let's bring in jon carl. the source has told you the vice president has been called in on this. >> reporter: that's right. i'm told the vice president is now playing a direct role in these negotiations, trying to get to a deal, a last-minute deal, a key player in the final hours. president obama set off the high-stakes weekend scramble friday night imemployering congressional leaders to take action immediately. >> the american people are not going to have any patience fora i politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. >> reporter: with that harry reid and mitch mcconnell launched a latch-dimp effort to craft a bipt plan to that stop the tax hike going into effect on new year's day. they negotiated all day saturday. saturday night there was an offer. by this morning, a clear sense of optim
and if no agreement, taxes will go up for all americans. in fact, the average american family would see a tax increase of more than $3400. as congress convened, even the senate chaplain praying to avoid what the president called self-inflicted wounds. let's bring in jon carl. the source has told you the vice president has been called in on this. >> reporter: that's right. i'm told the vice president is now playing a direct role in these negotiations, trying to get to a deal, a last-minute...
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president obama now heading back to the nation's capitol to continue talks before your taxes go up in 2013. details coming up on this wednesday morning. thanks for joining us, i'm charley crowson. >> i'm megan pringle. i hope you had had a very merry christmas or a wonderful holiday. thank you so much for joining us the day after. some of you have the day off, others are plan ong going to the mall and doing that sort of elbowing. >> get it started. >> that's right. you gotta make those returns. >> hand-to-hand combat out there. weather could play a factor. let's check in with meteorologist mike massco and see what's in store for a day that could be pretty wet. >> wintery to the north. guys, what's the etiquette on regifting, you gotta way wait a day? >> you don't do it, that's the etiquette. >> that just cleared it up for me. >> regifting is from the right hand to the left. >> let's have a chat later. 32 in town right now. nothing going on advisory wise for baltimore wise, but outside of town, carroll county, fredrick county, you're under a winter weather advisory. we're advising you
president obama now heading back to the nation's capitol to continue talks before your taxes go up in 2013. details coming up on this wednesday morning. thanks for joining us, i'm charley crowson. >> i'm megan pringle. i hope you had had a very merry christmas or a wonderful holiday. thank you so much for joining us the day after. some of you have the day off, others are plan ong going to the mall and doing that sort of elbowing. >> get it started. >> that's right. you gotta...
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heven days for the white house and congressional leaders to reach a budget deal to avoid tax increases for nearly every american. president obama is on vacation in hawaii, and that's where we find nancy cordes tonight. nancy, what can you tell us? >> well, jim, still no conversations today between owmocrats and republicans on how to avert the fiscal cliff, which is a sure sign that the senate majority leader, harry reid, a democrat, is working on crafting legislation on his own that he would essentially dare house and senate republicans to oppose. his legislation would likely extend the bush-era tax cuts for households making less than 250,000 a year. it might also include enough short-term spending cuts to temporarily offset for, say, six or eight months, the indiscriminate across-the-board spending cuts that are set to go into effect on january 1. yis bill would also try to tie up some year-end loose ends by extending long-term unemployment benefits, patching the alternative minimum tax that duds up hitting so many middle class families, and preventing a mbg scheduled drop-off in thd
heven days for the white house and congressional leaders to reach a budget deal to avoid tax increases for nearly every american. president obama is on vacation in hawaii, and that's where we find nancy cordes tonight. nancy, what can you tell us? >> well, jim, still no conversations today between owmocrats and republicans on how to avert the fiscal cliff, which is a sure sign that the senate majority leader, harry reid, a democrat, is working on crafting legislation on his own that he...
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republicans want a higher income tax threshold. republicans want to keep the estate tax from going up. and there's no agreement on what to do about automatic spending cuts. those are set to go into effect on january 2. >>> now to a deadly bus crash on a slick highway in eastern oregon. a tour bus careened off an icy section of interstate 84 yesterday morning and tumbled down a steep embankment, killing 9 and injuring more than 20 others. the bus was traveling to vancouver from las vegas. the driver survived but was too badly hurt to speak with police. >>> here is your new year's eve forecast. up to a foot of mountain snow in the southern rockies. 5 inches from kansas to southern illinois. thunderstorms from much of texas, oklahoma city, little rock and memphis. rain and mountain snow in the pacific northwest. flurries from michigan to northern new england. >> chilly from the west coast to the midwest and northeast. 20s in the northern rockies. just 2 degrees in fargo and 14 in minneapolis. 30s from chicago to new york. so just bund
republicans want a higher income tax threshold. republicans want to keep the estate tax from going up. and there's no agreement on what to do about automatic spending cuts. those are set to go into effect on january 2. >>> now to a deadly bus crash on a slick highway in eastern oregon. a tour bus careened off an icy section of interstate 84 yesterday morning and tumbled down a steep embankment, killing 9 and injuring more than 20 others. the bus was traveling to vancouver from las...
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lawmakers have less than a week to come up to agreement on how to avoid tax increases and spending cuts set to go into effect january. the first lady and the couple's two daughters will remain in hawaii for another 10 days. >>> for the first time starbucks' employees are being asked to write other than names on cups. the chain is asking employees in washington, d.c. to scribble the words "come together." as a message to lawmakers to settle the fiscal cliff. >> some spots blue skies, some parts grey clouds. >> interesting the colors you will see out there rainbow colors out there and we've had some in the south baylor, i'll show you one from mountain view, san jose we just had moderate rain roll through downtown, darker clouds off to the west there and that's what is going to head up into the santa cruz mountains shortly. one other advantage point, at least this side of san francisco, we are on the embarcadero side at front and vallejo streets where it looks quiet. if you look back the other way, rain coming in. san francisco heading out here any second the -- let's look at live doppler,
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he's never voted to raise taxes. he is opposed to abortion. and republican primary voters there in missouri said hey, this sounds like our kind of guy. so democrats kind of meddled in that primary. they got the candidate that they wanted and he self destructed just as they wanted, making what should have been a tough reelection fight for claire mccaskell kind of a cake walk. >> as the royal mounted miss always say, we always get our money, and claire mccaskill got her man. >>> the president bounced back with two strong showings. here's a memorable line from the third debate that ranked as the number five quote of the year. take a look. >> you mentioned the navy, for example. we had fewer ships than we did in 1916. well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets. because the nature of our military has changed. we have these things called aircraft carriers where planes land on them. we have the ships that go under water, nuclear submarines. >> talk about patronizing. meanwhile, perhaps the most memorable moment from the debates occurred i
he's never voted to raise taxes. he is opposed to abortion. and republican primary voters there in missouri said hey, this sounds like our kind of guy. so democrats kind of meddled in that primary. they got the candidate that they wanted and he self destructed just as they wanted, making what should have been a tough reelection fight for claire mccaskell kind of a cake walk. >> as the royal mounted miss always say, we always get our money, and claire mccaskill got her man. >>>...
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lawmakers have less than a week to come up to agreement on how to avoid tax increases and spending cuts set to go into effect january. the first lady and the couple's two daughters will remain in hawaii for another 10 days. >>> for the first time starbucks' employees are being asked to write other than names on cups. the chain is asking employees in washington, d.c. to scribble the words "come together." as a message to lawmakers to settle the fiscal cliff. >> some spots blue skies, some parts grey clouds. >> interesting the colors you will see out there rainbow colors out there and we've had some in the south baylor, i'll show you one from mountain view, san jose we just had moderate rain roll through downtown, darker clouds off to the west there and that's what is going to head up into the santa cruz mountains shortly. one other advantage point, at least this side of san francisco, we are on the embarcadero side at front and vallejo streets where it looks quiet. if you look back the other way, rain coming in. san francisco heading out here any second the -- let's look at live dopplers
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i will call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. i have been in business 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. >> where was obama tonight? he went in there disarmed. romney was winning. >> you'll get your chance in a moment. that wasn't a question, it was a statement. >> i don't look at my -- >> you said the day after the rose garden you said it wasn't an act of terror. >> he did call it an act of terror. >> could you say that a little louder. >> they also had horses and bayonets and say it louder and somehow that would make a difference. >> all tied up, our brand new numbers on the race for president. >> here's old moderate mitt. where you been, boy? i missed you the last two years. >> if you can't change washington inside the white house, let's get you the plane ticket to chicago you've earned. >> don't vote. voting is the best revenge. >> not revenge, instead, i ask the american people to vote for love of country. >> today is election day. >> people are choosing on the direction of the country. >> just four hours from now, the first presidential pol
i will call it the economy tax. it's been crushing. i have been in business 25 years. i have no idea what you're talking about. >> where was obama tonight? he went in there disarmed. romney was winning. >> you'll get your chance in a moment. that wasn't a question, it was a statement. >> i don't look at my -- >> you said the day after the rose garden you said it wasn't an act of terror. >> he did call it an act of terror. >> could you say that a little...
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it set the income threshold at $1 million over which you would be taxed at a higher rate. they wanted to do that because you simply can't beat something with nothing. they wanted to have something to send over to the senate to negotiate with in addition to what they had sent over last summer which was pretty much a nonstarter that they had recognized. that crashed and burned and went down in flames at which point john boehner said, look, it's up to the senate. they can negotiate -- harry reid can negotiate with president obama however they want to work it. they essentially punted and said it's up to you. that didn't go very well. mitch mcconnell the republican leader and harry reid at one point stopped negotiating at about 7:00 on saturday night. on sunday morning mitch mcconnell calls joe biden. they get together, offers are traded back and forth, and presto, voila, they come up with a deal and they put it on the floor and it sets those thresholds at $400,000 and $450,000 and it's passed at 2:00 last night and so it comes to the house republicans who have met all morning.
it set the income threshold at $1 million over which you would be taxed at a higher rate. they wanted to do that because you simply can't beat something with nothing. they wanted to have something to send over to the senate to negotiate with in addition to what they had sent over last summer which was pretty much a nonstarter that they had recognized. that crashed and burned and went down in flames at which point john boehner said, look, it's up to the senate. they can negotiate -- harry reid...
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and the pledge is slowly, grover norquist, anti-tax pledge, which is no way to run a business or the government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. and that thing has haunted us for a long time and is slowly losing. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine has helped in part make joy's rupert murdoch which is karl rove. people thought if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very smart on election night over at that other network. >> we only have two people left who may please me by choosing donald trump. alex wagner, the biggest loser of 2012? >> donald trump -- >> correct, correct, you get the ipad. >> i hate to disappoint you, it is shelden addelson -- the house is always supposed to win, and the house lost big time. >> great. that was great. >> steve, biggest loser. >> i want an ipad, but the big loser, the name for generations, the gold standard in public opinion polling -- gallugallup. gallup, all of october, on election day said romney has an advantage, going to win this, and people are going to look more skepticalally
and the pledge is slowly, grover norquist, anti-tax pledge, which is no way to run a business or the government. revenues are important if you understand a balance sheet. and that thing has haunted us for a long time and is slowly losing. >> krystal ball, the biggest loser. >> mine has helped in part make joy's rupert murdoch which is karl rove. people thought if they didn't like him, he was very smart. he exposed himself to not be very smart on election night over at that other...
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they want to keep the estate tax from going up. there's no agreement on what to do about the automatic spending cuts set to go into effect on january 2nd. both sides have said the cost of failure is extremely high. >> if we're not able to reach an agreement, it will be dire. probably at least another million jobs lost, an unemployment rate over 9% and putting us back into recession. >> reporter: vice president biden and republican leader mcconnell had several conversations deep into the night. the conversations were good, said a spokes person for mcconnell. time is almost out. >> the cutoff is tomorrow. we hear in your piece about the dire consequences. most americans might not feel the effects immediately, right? >> reporter: not right away, but was thing will be felt in their very first paycheck of 2013, the payroll tax that was cut by 2%. that goes back up. the income tax cuts, the treasury has not changed the withholding tables yet in anticipation of deal. if there is no deal, they'll have to do that. you'll see a big drop in o
they want to keep the estate tax from going up. there's no agreement on what to do about the automatic spending cuts set to go into effect on january 2nd. both sides have said the cost of failure is extremely high. >> if we're not able to reach an agreement, it will be dire. probably at least another million jobs lost, an unemployment rate over 9% and putting us back into recession. >> reporter: vice president biden and republican leader mcconnell had several conversations deep into...
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tax rates go up on everybody on january the 2nd. everybody in the country will get a tax increase. we are going over the fiscal cliff. it will destroy our military. the first things first, let's avoid going over over the cliff. there is a deal to be had somewhere between 400,000 and 500,000 on rates. let's make sure sure we put it and the deficit. you better hope that democrats and republicans say we are not going to borrow any more money. that means adjusting the age or medicare. means testing for medicare and social security and cpi adjustments for the rate of inflation. that's what i want to raise the debt ceiling. in august 2nd of this past year 2011 we borrowed $2.1 trillion the last time we raised the debt ceiling and we've gone through that money in 17 months. we are burning money up here and it has to stop. uma: some folks are saying, why not just go over the cliff and let the country deal with it as the chips fall on that one, because some believe it's the only way to force president obama and the senate democrats to agree on fundamental tax reform. what do you think about
tax rates go up on everybody on january the 2nd. everybody in the country will get a tax increase. we are going over the fiscal cliff. it will destroy our military. the first things first, let's avoid going over over the cliff. there is a deal to be had somewhere between 400,000 and 500,000 on rates. let's make sure sure we put it and the deficit. you better hope that democrats and republicans say we are not going to borrow any more money. that means adjusting the age or medicare. means testing...
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to pay more taxes. i don't think they're eager to pay more taxes for one important reason, they just don't think the money is going to get used well. people just do not trust washington to spend their money effectively and i think if they had greater trust in washington, there would not be so much resistance to this, so the irony of this, don, is that this spectacle that we're seeing right now in washington is contributing to the problem and people see this, they're even more reluctant to pay taxes or to put up with the tax hike. so it is almost like it is a self-perpetuating problem. >> rick newman, thank you, sir. >> sure thing, don. >>> in other news, he's remembered as a liberator, not a conqueror. tributes pouring in for general norman schwarzkopf. he died yesterday in tampa, florida. he became a household name in the '90s when he led coalition forces in first gulf war. he once told larry king he hated war. president obama called schwarzkopf's death the loss of an american original. norman schwarzk
to pay more taxes. i don't think they're eager to pay more taxes for one important reason, they just don't think the money is going to get used well. people just do not trust washington to spend their money effectively and i think if they had greater trust in washington, there would not be so much resistance to this, so the irony of this, don, is that this spectacle that we're seeing right now in washington is contributing to the problem and people see this, they're even more reluctant to pay...
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minimum tax. there is an entire set of taxes that there are two methods of tax. if you're doing that, you're in a lower tax rate and certain things are not deductible for the alternative minimum tax. you can't deduct state income taxes or real estate taxes. so you really need to run the numbers for both years, look at some of the rate changes that you are going to know about, such as 3.8% investment income, medicare tax and other things, then make those decisions. >> gretchen: unfortunately, we don't know exactly what tax rate anyone is going to have because we still are in the fiscal cliff thing. you do recommend prepay state income taxes? >> if you're not in the amt, prepay state income taxes, prepay real estate taxes because you can get deductions. if you're deciding you want to save tacks for 2012. >> gretchen: prepay your 2013 mortgage so it can be included in 20 is it -- 2012. >> you can't pay your february one, but you can pay your january one because it's interest in december and you can g
minimum tax. there is an entire set of taxes that there are two methods of tax. if you're doing that, you're in a lower tax rate and certain things are not deductible for the alternative minimum tax. you can't deduct state income taxes or real estate taxes. so you really need to run the numbers for both years, look at some of the rate changes that you are going to know about, such as 3.8% investment income, medicare tax and other things, then make those decisions. >> gretchen:...
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the tax rate. no matter what it is on the rich or not on the rich will not solve the big huge impending doom. >> that's right exactly right. you said it. the latest proposal from the president, of course, did not have the kind of long and short-term and mid term spending reform that we need. the federal government right now is it as we all know, spending more than a trillion dollars year upon year since the president took office, more than a trillion over budget year upon year. that has to stop. >> and you are putting faith in harry reid to come back with some proposal that will meet that in the next six days? where are you? >>ist a good question. senator reid without the past two years has not worked in -- in any very productive way with the house majority. and we do in the house represent the american people, at least as much as the senate majority does and we do need to work together and you are right. we have had roadblocks and obstructions and ignoring the bills we sent over time and time agai
the tax rate. no matter what it is on the rich or not on the rich will not solve the big huge impending doom. >> that's right exactly right. you said it. the latest proposal from the president, of course, did not have the kind of long and short-term and mid term spending reform that we need. the federal government right now is it as we all know, spending more than a trillion dollars year upon year since the president took office, more than a trillion over budget year upon year. that has...
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tax. it's hitting the single mothers, not the quote unquote the rich. it affects all of us. gregg: obamacare taxes will begin for individuals earning more than 200,000 and couples morning here than $250,000. >> most people think this doesn't affect me. this could trickle down, a lot of people in this bracket are the ones who have small businesses. so if they are getting hit more with higher taxes i'll see possibly layoffs of one or two people, multiply that by tens of thousands small businesses you'll see the consumer spend less. gregg: congress can handle it individually because the president signed an executive order giving them all pay raises. >> it's true. gregg: unbelievable. heather. heather: coming up president obama facing another key test as he approaches the start of his second term. the ongoing battle now turning to america's ports, as a strike deadline fast approaches. doug mcelway live from washington. doug, the complaints of longshoreman whose strike was temporarily averted l
tax. it's hitting the single mothers, not the quote unquote the rich. it affects all of us. gregg: obamacare taxes will begin for individuals earning more than 200,000 and couples morning here than $250,000. >> most people think this doesn't affect me. this could trickle down, a lot of people in this bracket are the ones who have small businesses. so if they are getting hit more with higher taxes i'll see possibly layoffs of one or two people, multiply that by tens of thousands small...
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a main sticking point is tax increases on the wealthy. while some suggest raising taxes for those who earn a million the president wants increases on anyone making more than $250,000 a year. >> we just can't afford aself inflicted wound to the economy. the economy is growing. keeping it that way means that the folks you sent to washington have to do their jobs. >> in the weekly address they say congress must meet the deadline and pass a balanced plan that offers middle class tax cuts and reduces spending in a responsible manner. >> the president's proposal to raise taxes on the top 2% of americans won't pay a third of the yearly interest that's owed on this massive 16 trillon dollar debt. >> missouri senator roy blunt gave the gop weekly address. he said the president's tax hike would only fund the government for eight days. >> if no deal is reached here is a look at what could happen. 1.2million out of work americans will loose their extended unemployment benefits. california would be hit the hardest. 400,000 will loose those benefits an
a main sticking point is tax increases on the wealthy. while some suggest raising taxes for those who earn a million the president wants increases on anyone making more than $250,000 a year. >> we just can't afford aself inflicted wound to the economy. the economy is growing. keeping it that way means that the folks you sent to washington have to do their jobs. >> in the weekly address they say congress must meet the deadline and pass a balanced plan that offers middle class tax...
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taxes will go up. the payroll tax cut that has helped this economy is going to disappear. unemployment benefits are going to disappear for millions of americans who are searching for work, and many other changes will take place, none of which will be favorable in terms of an economic recovery. i think that we ought to stop and reflect for a moment here on lessons learned. here's what i have learned. if we're going to solve this problem, we need to do two things. we need to be prepared on both sides of the table to give, and that's a hard thing for many people to acknowledge, but we do. we have to be willing to give on both sides of the table. i remember senator reid receiving a letter after the super committee was hard at work coming up with a bipartisan proposal, signed by virtually every senator on the other side of the aisle, said do not include a penny of revenue. that was the end of the super committee. there was no place to go at that point. they have to be willing to give on revenue and we have to be willing to give on our side, particularly in the area of entitleme
taxes will go up. the payroll tax cut that has helped this economy is going to disappear. unemployment benefits are going to disappear for millions of americans who are searching for work, and many other changes will take place, none of which will be favorable in terms of an economic recovery. i think that we ought to stop and reflect for a moment here on lessons learned. here's what i have learned. if we're going to solve this problem, we need to do two things. we need to be prepared on both...
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they want to keep the estate tax from going up. there's still no agreement on what to do about those automatic spending cuts set to go into effect on january 2nd. both sides have said the cost of failure is extremely high. >> if we're not able to reach an agreement, it will be dire. probably at least another million jobs lost, an unemployment rate over 9% and putting us back into recession. >> reporter: vice president biden and mitch mcconnell had several conversations deep into the night. and will continue those conversations this morning. the conversations were good, but time is almost out. >> the cutoff is tomorrow. we hear in your piece about the dire consequences here. most americans might not feel the effects immediately, right? >> reporter: most workers will feel some impact in their very first paycheck of the year, because the payroll tax cut expires. that's going up no matter what. the irs has changed the withholding tables yet. but that will happen. >> that's not the way anyone wants to ring in the new year. jon karl, tha
they want to keep the estate tax from going up. there's still no agreement on what to do about those automatic spending cuts set to go into effect on january 2nd. both sides have said the cost of failure is extremely high. >> if we're not able to reach an agreement, it will be dire. probably at least another million jobs lost, an unemployment rate over 9% and putting us back into recession. >> reporter: vice president biden and mitch mcconnell had several conversations deep into the...
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estate tax in familiar. and it was at 35% right now. democrats wanted to raise it to 45%. it looks like it will be 40%, beginning with $5 million. above my head. >> senate getting ready to vote now and then goes to the house and we'll see what happens there. >> yes. and they reconvene at noon today. no football games for them, right? >>> this holiday will be another day in the hospital for secretary of state hillary clinton after doctors discovered a blood clot in her head. she's being treated in a manhattan hospital. wendy has the latest from new york. >> reporter: hillary clinton's doctors say they detected a clot in the vein between her brain and skull. >> if it dislodges, it could cause a stroke. doctors say there's no sign of that right now. >> reporter: it did not result in a stroke or neurological damage. she's being treated with blood thinners to help dissolve the clot. she's expected to make a full recovery. the doctors add that she's in good spirits and is making excellent progress. clinton's medic
estate tax in familiar. and it was at 35% right now. democrats wanted to raise it to 45%. it looks like it will be 40%, beginning with $5 million. above my head. >> senate getting ready to vote now and then goes to the house and we'll see what happens there. >> yes. and they reconvene at noon today. no football games for them, right? >>> this holiday will be another day in the hospital for secretary of state hillary clinton after doctors discovered a blood clot in her head....
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it will hurt every taxpayer, the largest tax increase in history. it will affect everybody, and anyone who is watching who thinks, oh this isn't going to impact me, you will fin out d o will, and we know the problem is a lot of spending. not that we're not taxing people more, we're just spending too much. we hope that the president understands that as for as republicans are concerned, we're willing to negotiate and have a civil conversation, but also he's got to bring in some spending cuts and tax reform, because americans want tax reform and we don't want to hurt the economy, and, look there, are not enough millionaires in the united states to tax them all to be able to spend our way out of this problem. so let's -- let's give up a little bit -- each side can concede a little. and i think we can fin middle ground. i'm optimistic. >> we had your colleague nan hayworth last hour. she was expecting work to be done in the senate. the house did its best, boehner did his best, now it's up to the senate to come up with something. is that your position now
it will hurt every taxpayer, the largest tax increase in history. it will affect everybody, and anyone who is watching who thinks, oh this isn't going to impact me, you will fin out d o will, and we know the problem is a lot of spending. not that we're not taxing people more, we're just spending too much. we hope that the president understands that as for as republicans are concerned, we're willing to negotiate and have a civil conversation, but also he's got to bring in some spending cuts and...
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they just want something that will extend middle class tax cuts. they want to see two million people get unemployment benefits extended. those are running out at end of the year by the way the president, you remember, came out on friday after speaker boehner talked about the failure of the vote thursday night and president basically said everyone should calm down, cool off over the holidays. take a listen. >> everybody can cool off. everybody can drink some eggnog, have some christmas cookies, sing some christmas carols, enjoy the company of loved ones and then i would ask every member of congress while they're back home to think about that. think about the obligations we have to the people who sent us here. >> reporter: so, sing some carols today. probably will be some eggnog. here in hawaii, maybe back in ohio where john boehner is likely celebrating the holidays as well but they have got to seriously get back to work over the next couple days and top white house officials say we can expect the president by the end of this week, it is very, very
they just want something that will extend middle class tax cuts. they want to see two million people get unemployment benefits extended. those are running out at end of the year by the way the president, you remember, came out on friday after speaker boehner talked about the failure of the vote thursday night and president basically said everyone should calm down, cool off over the holidays. take a listen. >> everybody can cool off. everybody can drink some eggnog, have some christmas...
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listen, the answer is grover norquist no new tax pledge. that alone would free the republican party to engage in good faith, sensitive negotiations. everybody knows that our taxes are now at an historic low in the contemporary era and they're going to go out sort of naturally. and with the aging of the population, i guarantee you will be somewhere around 22% gdp. wouldn't it be nice if we could acknowledge that and say what's the most bowl, efficient way to structure a tax system, probably progressive consumption tax direct it in ways to accomplish a whole host of object is. as long as you have that pledge to which members signed, it's hopeless. the republican party cannot be a player in any constructive resolution of the problems confronting the country. there is no political space for a third-party to occupy. it's based on a presumption. we have two extreme parties and there's this great center to mobilize and i'm deeply skeptical that there's room for such a party and would really play a constructive role. is it going to get worse than i
listen, the answer is grover norquist no new tax pledge. that alone would free the republican party to engage in good faith, sensitive negotiations. everybody knows that our taxes are now at an historic low in the contemporary era and they're going to go out sort of naturally. and with the aging of the population, i guarantee you will be somewhere around 22% gdp. wouldn't it be nice if we could acknowledge that and say what's the most bowl, efficient way to structure a tax system, probably...
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>> back in '69 they came out with something called "minimum tax." and in '82, the alternative minimum tax and this was a way to make sure the ch wealthy pay their fair share. this is how to level the playing field a little bit. this simply says now it's around $74,500. if -- it will go down to about $45,000 if the fiscal cliff goes off and nothing is done to adjust it. individuals now getting $45,000 back in '82 when first enarngted which is a lot different than $45,000 today. so if individuals earning $45,000 today might be impacted by additional taxes by this amt if something's not done. and, again, this is just a way to try to -- the problem with the amt is it wasn't adjusted for inflation so as time went on and prices have gone up and people have made more money and inflation has gone into place, things have not adjusted for the what the amt is now currently so this is going to be a big piece and those in the finance world are looking at making sure that this thing doesn't come into play. come 2014, people will have a big surprise if they file t
>> back in '69 they came out with something called "minimum tax." and in '82, the alternative minimum tax and this was a way to make sure the ch wealthy pay their fair share. this is how to level the playing field a little bit. this simply says now it's around $74,500. if -- it will go down to about $45,000 if the fiscal cliff goes off and nothing is done to adjust it. individuals now getting $45,000 back in '82 when first enarngted which is a lot different than $45,000 today....
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[inaudible] paid social security taxes just like the rest of us. but they didn't gain for her family the same protection as the family of a male wage earner who have paid into social security. so the discrimination begins with the woman, and then the man, because he is, his role as parent rather than breadwinner, doesn't get the benefit. there was a unanimous judgment of the supreme court in that case. and by the way, we got it from the district court, from the court of first instance, to the supreme court, before he reached his third birthday. and that is record speed for federal litigation. anyway, the court reach a unanimous verdict, divided three ways. the majority thought it discriminates against the woman wage earner, the very argument i just presented. three thought it discriminates against the male as the parent, and one said, i see this from the vantage point of the baby. it makes no sense, the child should have the opportunity or the personal care of the sole surviving parent. only if that parent is female, not male. of the cases that i w
[inaudible] paid social security taxes just like the rest of us. but they didn't gain for her family the same protection as the family of a male wage earner who have paid into social security. so the discrimination begins with the woman, and then the man, because he is, his role as parent rather than breadwinner, doesn't get the benefit. there was a unanimous judgment of the supreme court in that case. and by the way, we got it from the district court, from the court of first instance, to the...